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Black white IQ gap, 1918-2008

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Wealth and IQ correlate and the whole point of the Flynn eff...
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yeah but we probably watered down our white pool with all th...
Judas Jones
  08/09/17
Precisely my point. Whites in the 20th century were propped...
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" Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupi...
GLOBAL WARMING
  08/09/17
Dude's just a huge fan of minstrel shows
boner_police
  08/09/17
Like every other white person, but I would argue that is ult...
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Have you seen sat scores for the absolute poorest whites and...
gibberish
  08/09/17
Even yo nigga "Shitlaw" Steve Sailer admits that c...
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The gap just got ten points wider
AYD
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Judas Jones
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Buck "The Club" Paulette
  08/25/17
i think the biggest counter argument is that accurately meas...
Non sequitur
  08/09/17
doesn't seem like a strong argument when comparing groups li...
Judas Jones
  08/09/17
many people including my parents didnt know english until th...
pepito
  08/09/17
Too bad we have no other means to confirm if, in fact, black...
AYD
  08/09/17
and why is that?
ethereum trillionaire
  08/09/17
idk i'm not a proponent of the argument, but its something l...
Non sequitur
  08/09/17
This argument is clearly flawed. These tests show equival...
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below knee amputee [BKA]
  08/09/17
The thing is it has the same predictive validity across race...
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You would think then that blacks would outperform whites on ...
bigeastboy
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spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
very misleading title
d( . )n't run nigga i see y( . )u
  08/09/17
Cr. Systemic racism means life is pretty much worse for blac...
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Micro aggressions really start to add up.
gibberish
  08/09/17
black bro here. not offended, but who cares
I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!
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Soren 'Bob' Odenkierkegaard
  08/09/17
It's actually awesome if black w/ high iq
gibberish
  08/09/17
Or even average IQ.
Odor of the Queef
  08/09/17
Average IQ black professionals can be extremely frustrating ...
spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
state ur IQ
{:{|}
  08/09/17
Japanese in 1908: living in feudalism with medieval weaponry...
DrakeMallard
  08/09/17
guy who refuses to do so much as a surface level look at afr...
I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!
  08/09/17
Do you mean all the infrastructure that the Chinese built so...
DrakeMallard
  08/09/17
did a black dude accidentally step on your allen Edmonds thi...
I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!
  08/09/17
No but we don't need to lie about subsaharan africa being so...
DrakeMallard
  08/09/17
Credited. Lets keep it real at least.
spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
Brother , Europeans invented the fucking submarine before Af...
bigeastboy
  08/09/17
bro they sent a rat to the moon
Non sequitur
  08/09/17
H8!@
HoldUpHoldUpWhat
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spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
Whites know this gap will be closed within a few decades.
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Chinese will start genetically modifying for IQ and IQ in th...
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The important question is whether this will happen before or...
"'"'"''"""
  08/09/17
I think designer babies will come about and throw it all off...
gibberish
  08/09/17
It'll come way before. We figure out more of the genetics of...
503 poaster unavailable
  08/09/17
people overestimate the difficulty of getting to AGI. my bas...
"'"'"''"""
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As someone who has worked extensively in machine learning / ...
borders
  08/12/17
This deserves a bump.
chilmata
  08/25/17
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weird blob of shit from another dimension
  08/25/17
Credited as fuck. This is why consciousness as a question i...
spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
If the top 20 percent of US income earners all raised black ...
zmxncbv
  08/09/17
that group of black babies would grow up to be 90ish IQ inst...
Judas Jones
  08/09/17
So about the same as the median white in 2040 America?
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Your assumption or based on data?
zmxncbv
  08/09/17
Let them cling to this, they only have 30 or so more years t...
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lol no, i just completely made it up. But if the 15 point g...
Judas Jones
  08/09/17
I think that's about right. I think there are studies to th...
spaceporn2525
  08/25/17
Here is a study that looked at kids adopted by "advanta...
Judas Jones
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Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption stu...
zmxncbv
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Cr. Systemic racism is what lowered their IQ.
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Assuming sarcasm, not hard to believe it's possible. Average...
zmxncbv
  08/09/17
Ur an idiot
pepito
  08/25/17
Also, Average IQ at 17 of Asian adopted kids = 96
zmxncbv
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it's asian/"indigenous", and looks to have been a ...
Judas Jones
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Gooks are smart as fuck.
spaceporn2525
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20 yrs of education for a 3yr career
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Furthermore, if you put this entire subset together in schoo...
zmxncbv
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No
gibberish
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I'm more than willing to listen to reasons and arguments...I...
zmxncbv
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This has been tried with adoption studies. There is approxim...
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It's a good thing that natural selection stopped
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Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption stu...
zmxncbv
  08/09/17
Just accept what you know deep down the real answer is.
gibberish
  08/09/17
So let's assume it's half genetics/half upbringing. Why is a...
zmxncbv
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In reality iq is probably closer to 80% genetic. 10 points f...
gibberish
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it gives our 90-100 iq whiteys something to feel good about ...
sealclubber
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"which include not studying or taking school seriously&...
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This image is a triggering microaggression because the shape...
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Raven's matrices has actually changed significantly from the...
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You're going broader than what I was responding to. But, ...
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FUCKING LOL at xo, race-bsessed, perpetually race-cucked and...
pepito .
  08/09/17
reminder this is AFRICAN AMERICAN blacks who have some white...
Chad Nationalism
  08/25/17
what of the Igbo
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Reminder: the superior race and smarter race is betting on C...
I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!
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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:33 AM
Author: .,......,.,.,.,:,,:.,,.,::;.,..,:,.,,:..;,,:.::,,


http://i.imgur.com/ElwYo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bL6N4.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/V8cI6.jpg

Weird how a roughly 15 point IQ gap survived through desegregation, voting rights for blacks, massive amounts of new federal programs for the poor, affirmative action, "Diversity" campaigns designed to raise the status of African Americans etc. Wonder why that could be? My hypothesis is that there was an offsetting massive increase in the nebulous forces of institutional racism. Gotta be that.

Thoughts, xo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948957)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:16 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Wealth and IQ correlate and the whole point of the Flynn effect is that 100 IQ in 2008 is "higher" in the sense that a 100 IQ in 2008 would test well above 100 in 1918. White people, and specifically non-WASP white people, were imported in huge numbers in the 20th century at the same time the U.S. created the greatest expansion of wealth in the history of human civilization, and white people captured a disproportionate share of the gains, especially non-WASPs whites v. their historical wealth on a percentage basis. Given this context the fact that Blacks kept pace while they were subjected to a series of liberal social experiments that proved to be deeply flawed in a variety of ways (e.g. inner city high-rise public housing structures that had huge negative external effects on their neighborhoods) it's actually pretty remarkable that Blacks kept pace. Given the widening wealth gap and the huge and multi-generational expansion of the White middle class that benefited Blacks only slightly by comparison, you would expect the gap to grow significantly, not stay the same.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949214)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:28 PM
Author: Judas Jones

yeah but we probably watered down our white pool with all the dumb irish, italians, and slavs who came in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949332)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 5:59 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Precisely my point. Whites in the 20th century were propped up dramatically by a wealth infusion that allowed mediocre Whites without much education to gain unprecedented access to wealth. The fact that they didn't style on Blacks while Blacks were going through a host of socially dysgenic changes that were both self-inflicted and caused by persisting racism and counterproductive liberal policies suggests that low-end IQ Whites are a very persistently stupid cohort and Blacks are capable of outperforming them in terms of a trend line, just not enough to offset the expected gains made by mid-level and high IQ Whites who also gained far more relative wealth than Blacks during this period. Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupid mick or zip who barely made it out of high school. At least ghetto blacks try to come up with clever rhymes and put downs. Truly dumb whites are just vacant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951891)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: GLOBAL WARMING

" Intuitively this makes sense when you talk to a stupid mick or zip who barely made it out of high school. At least ghetto blacks try to come up with clever rhymes and put downs. Truly dumb whites are just vacant."

lol @ this insanity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951930)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:09 PM
Author: boner_police

Dude's just a huge fan of minstrel shows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951954)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:11 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Like every other white person, but I would argue that is ultimately a function of our historical context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951964)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:13 PM
Author: gibberish

Have you seen sat scores for the absolute poorest whites and wealthiest African Americans? Odd outcome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951972)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 10:12 PM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Even yo nigga "Shitlaw" Steve Sailer admits that comparing *net worth* instead of income shrinks this disparity and points to a regression to mean theory as the explanation.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html?m=1

Also I'm not sure how motivated I would be to gun for those extra 150 points if I knew I was already getting into my state flagship without them. Comparing that group to the group who gets shit on the most other than poor Asians in college admissions is clearly apples and oranges. I've never been able to get a satisfactory answer on how selection bias might alter this stat since poor blacks can still get into college with very low scores and poor whites can't. But it does underscore a basic truth that focusing all our resources on giving extra boosts to rich black people seems like a dumb way to address the issue, albeit a good way to maximize tuition paid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953623)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:35 AM
Author: AYD

The gap just got ten points wider

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948966)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Judas Jones



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948976)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:50 AM
Author: ...,.,.,..,..,.,...,..,,..,...,..




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949058)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:07 AM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064117)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:37 AM
Author: Non sequitur

i think the biggest counter argument is that accurately measuring IQ across race is difficult/unrealsitic/impossible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948978)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:39 AM
Author: Judas Jones

doesn't seem like a strong argument when comparing groups living in the same country and speaking the same language for generations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948995)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:33 PM
Author: pepito

many people including my parents didnt know english until their 20s and didnt even grow up in this country and did just fine, way better than blacks, no way they would ever score so low, my father has even attained high levels of certification in this country while he literally grew up on a farm in the middle of the desert in a non english speaking country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952101)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:40 AM
Author: AYD

Too bad we have no other means to confirm if, in fact, blacks are less intelligent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949000)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:49 AM
Author: ethereum trillionaire

and why is that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949056)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: Non sequitur

idk i'm not a proponent of the argument, but its something like, iq as a measurement is flawed, iq tests are flawed (which i think we can all agree with), how do you properly sample across races, cultural differences can account for a lot of the disparity, and the favorite shitlib line that "race is a fiction" ("Richwine’s first mistake was related to race. He assumes that any differences in IQ documented between races are an indication, at least in part, of contrasting racial genetics. As others have commented, his entire enterprise is doomed from the start because, while human diversity is real, race is a fiction. Human beings don’t come in a set number of biologically distinct categories. Racial designations are historical inventions that vary across countries and over time in the United States. There are some genetic markers that vary by region, such as sickle cell anemia, but none that systematically vary by the invented categories we know as race. Race is a figment of the imagination." - http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/jason-richwine-race-iq-genetics-095765)

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949096)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:07 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""


This argument is clearly flawed.

These tests show equivalent predictive validity between races, and they have consistent intercorrelations. If they were measuring different things this shouldn't be the case. They would either significantly underpredict black real world performance, or show a pattern of variability that is different from other ethnic groups (which would suggest cultural biases and differences in skill profiles).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949151)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:15 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949204)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:16 PM
Author: below knee amputee [BKA]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951983)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:17 PM
Author: .,.,.,,..,.,,..,,....,.,.,.,.,., (aias)


The thing is it has the same predictive validity across races

So people with the same IQ have similar outcomes regardless of race

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949224)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:19 PM
Author: bigeastboy

You would think then that blacks would outperform whites on this tests every once and a while - but no, every single goddamn time they score lower. While iq tests may be flawed, when something happens 100 out of 100 times you just gotta acknowledge it's real.

Also I think this is the part when we start talking about Neanderthal DNA...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951998)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:04 AM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065017)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:38 AM
Author: d( . )n't run nigga i see y( . )u (and icu)

very misleading title

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33948988)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:51 AM
Author: ...,.,.,..,..,.,...,..,,..,...,..


Cr. Systemic racism means life is pretty much worse for black people than it was under slavery / Jim Crow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949060)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:56 AM
Author: gibberish

Micro aggressions really start to add up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949084)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:55 AM
Author: I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!

black bro here. not offended, but who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949080)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:57 AM
Author: Soren 'Bob' Odenkierkegaard (darnellchadjamal@gmail.com )



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949091)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:03 PM
Author: gibberish

It's actually awesome if black w/ high iq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949130)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:13 PM
Author: Odor of the Queef

Or even average IQ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949191)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:10 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

Average IQ black professionals can be extremely frustrating to work w.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065040)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:46 PM
Author: {:{|}

state ur IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949471)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 11:59 AM
Author: DrakeMallard (When there's trouble you call DW)

Japanese in 1908: living in feudalism with medieval weaponry and society

Japanese in 2018: Sex robots, bullet trains, Nintendo Switches, and virtual reality anime porn

Africans in 1908: live in mud huts

Africans in 2018: live in mud huts with AIDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949102)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:01 PM
Author: I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!

guy who refuses to do so much as a surface level look at africa

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949118)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:04 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (When there's trouble you call DW)

Do you mean all the infrastructure that the Chinese built so they could rape the continent for all its natural resources?

Because I'm pretty sure most of the continent still lives in mud huts while the Japenese have toilets that shoot heated water into your asshole while massaging your cheeks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949136)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:14 PM
Author: I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!

did a black dude accidentally step on your allen Edmonds this morning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949194)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:40 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (When there's trouble you call DW)

No but we don't need to lie about subsaharan africa being some great modern place nowadays

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949435)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:13 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

Credited. Lets keep it real at least.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065056)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:22 PM
Author: bigeastboy

Brother , Europeans invented the fucking submarine before Africans invented the wheel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952019)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:02 PM
Author: Non sequitur

bro they sent a rat to the moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949120)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:10 AM
Author: HoldUpHoldUpWhat

H8!@

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969452)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:11 AM
Author: spaceporn2525



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065045)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:05 PM
Author: .,.,....,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,,:.,.:...,:.::,.


Whites know this gap will be closed within a few decades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949142)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:11 PM
Author: .,.,.,.....,

Chinese will start genetically modifying for IQ and IQ in the Americas will sink to Brazil level. World will be:

Asia, really smart

Americas: dumbish

Europe/ME: dumb

Africa: sos

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949174)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:25 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""


The important question is whether this will happen before or after the creation of artificial general intelligence. If it happens after it won't matter, because it will be possible to build computers with very large speed advantages over even the most intelligent human brains.

The current rate of progress in reinforcement learning makes me think AI is likely more of a threat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949308)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: gibberish

I think designer babies will come about and throw it all off. Of course there is more at play than just iq.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949453)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:51 PM
Author: 503 poaster unavailable (ohnoestp)

It'll come way before. We figure out more of the genetics of IQ every day, and already genetically manipulate God knows how many mice in general. It's just about someone willing to experiment with humans.

Generalized AI in the sense of making smart people mostly obsolete a long, long way off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952216)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 7:24 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""


people overestimate the difficulty of getting to AGI. my basic thinking aligns with this article:

http://lesswrong.com/lw/md2/the_brain_as_a_universal_learning_machine/

the strong progress in many domains through deep learning systems (model-free reinforcement learning, vision, audio recognition etc) seems to validate the view the learning algorithms the brain uses are probably not very complex. DeepMind's latest RL algorithm beats humans at 40 out of 57 Atari games. transfer learning and model-based RL are still unresolved problems, but the capabilities of existing algorithms are still extremely impressive considering where we were just a few years ago.

i increasingly believe Shane Legg's predicted date of around 2026 is not going to be very far off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33952411)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:02 AM
Author: borders (Padre)

As someone who has worked extensively in machine learning / statistics - I would say it's the opposite - rather that people underestimate the difficulty of getting AGI.

You also have to look at how much the tech world relies and will continue to rely on the hype of AI for selling its products - every customer service chat bot is being marketed as an "AI" now as one simple example. So on one level the incentives are greatly skewed towards overhyping the progress we've made towards AGI.

The average person, even the average "technologist" who keeps up closely with all this while not formerly trained in math / ai, doesn't realize how separate AGI is from marginal improvements in some deep learning application or reinforcement learning task of a computer playing GO or whatever game. So an advance was made in RL that now the deepmind algorithm DESTROYS everyone at GO when it only won ~80% of games a few years ago (nevermind the specific numbers) - what does that really get us in terms of AGI?

The problem with AGI is not with some performance metrics on an algorithm that's just not quite good enough yet, the problem with AGI is that it's an insanely complex problem that we don't even understand yet how to structure and how it would fully work.

So when we see advancements in "AI", for example a new deep learning algorithm has substantially improved its image classification / performance accuracy, for the short term this is a big deal b/c it gets us machines that can mimic narrow human tasks with great performance that closely resembles (or even beats) human performance. So we will first see an explosion of "AI" products that are extremely good at doing those narrow tasks - but taking that and generalizing it to some fully functioning AGI is not only a long ways off, but a completely different type and structure of problem to solve than "increase this algorithm's performance on GO or audio classification or whatever.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969429)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 2:20 AM
Author: chilmata (poasting from a flawless horse stance)

This deserves a bump.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064403)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 2:28 AM
Author: weird blob of shit from another dimension (that has telepathic powers)

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064435)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:19 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

Credited as fuck. This is why consciousness as a question is so important now. And consciousness is not connected to soul. Eliminate religious superstition etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065073)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:29 PM
Author: zmxncbv

If the top 20 percent of US income earners all raised black children from birth, in place of children of their own, would it not be possible to see a significant deviation from the mean among that group?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949349)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:32 PM
Author: Judas Jones

that group of black babies would grow up to be 90ish IQ instead of 85 IQ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949368)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: .,.,....,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,,:.,.:...,:.::,.


So about the same as the median white in 2040 America?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949397)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:34 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Your assumption or based on data?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949398)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:42 PM
Author: .,.,....,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,,:.,.:...,:.::,.


Let them cling to this, they only have 30 or so more years to do so as the white elite completely loses race consciousness and allows their opioid-snorting proles to complety regress

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949445)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:00 PM
Author: Judas Jones

lol no, i just completely made it up. But if the 15 point gap can be explained as roughly half nurture and half nature (which seems to be the approximate view of the current literature in the field), it seems like blacks should end up somewhere in the low 90s if raised by stable, above-average IQ families.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949567)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:29 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

I think that's about right. I think there are studies to that effect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065110)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:16 PM
Author: Judas Jones

Here is a study that looked at kids adopted by "advantaged white families"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study#Results

Advantaged White parent Average IQ when child is 17 = 115

Average IQ at 17 of white non-adopted kids = 109

Average IQ at 17 of white adopted kids = 106

Average IQ at 17 of mulatto adopted kids = 99

Average IQ at 17 of black adopted kids = 89

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949684)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:20 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption studies are flawed as they don't account for the fact that an adopted black child might have issues forming an identity. And look for societal queues on how to "be black," which include not studying or taking school seriously.

I don't doubt genetics has some effect..But to deny that upbringing and institutions can't possibly be more important is questionable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949723)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:43 PM
Author: ...,.,.,..,..,.,...,..,,..,...,..


Cr. Systemic racism is what lowered their IQ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949925)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Assuming sarcasm, not hard to believe it's possible. Average black peer group is not about school life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950098)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 12:59 AM
Author: pepito

Ur an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064085)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:48 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Also,

Average IQ at 17 of Asian adopted kids = 96

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949956)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:53 PM
Author: Judas Jones

it's asian/"indigenous", and looks to have been a mix of injuns, latinos, low IQ vietnamese, and koreans

"Asian and indigenous American children came from Minnesota as well as from Korea, Vietnam, Canada and Ecuador."

The average IQ of these different groups vary by huge amounts (koreans 105ish, viet mid 90s, american indians low 90s, latinos in the high 80s to low 90s)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949985)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 9:22 AM
Author: spaceporn2525

Gooks are smart as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34065078)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 9:56 PM
Author: 20 yrs of education for a 3yr career



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953510)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:43 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Furthermore, if you put this entire subset together in schools, where they studied and interacted with other advantaged black students that looked like them...would that not greatly enhance their chances for IQs above the median?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949449)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:44 PM
Author: gibberish

No

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949456)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:47 PM
Author: zmxncbv

I'm more than willing to listen to reasons and arguments...I'm here to learn about race realism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949480)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 12:59 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""


This has been tried with adoption studies. There is approximately zero benefit by late adolescence,

This debate is pretty silly now. observable environmental factors do not account for the gap. More importantly, when we look at how IQ alleles vary across populations there is now strong evidence of differences in natural selection. East asian populations were selected more for high IQ than whites, who were selected more for high IQ than blacks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949565)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:03 PM
Author: .,.,....,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,..,,:.,.:...,:.::,.


It's a good thing that natural selection stopped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949586)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 1:16 PM
Author: zmxncbv

Maybe this is a reach...But is it possible that adoption studies are flawed as they don't account for the fact that an adopted black child might have issues forming an identity. And look for societal queues on how to "be black," which include not studying or taking school seriously.

I don't doubt genetics has some effect..But to deny that upbringing and institutions can't possibly be more important is questionable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33949682)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:09 PM
Author: gibberish

Just accept what you know deep down the real answer is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950101)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:28 PM
Author: zmxncbv

So let's assume it's half genetics/half upbringing. Why is a 10-iq point difference enough to make this a major issue for the alt-right? That's what I'm still a little confused about.

Beating the world over the head with the fact that blacks have inferior intellect proves what exactly?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950266)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:10 PM
Author: gibberish

In reality iq is probably closer to 80% genetic. 10 points for a large pop is huge. Particularly when it's probably the most important factor in a nations success. However, focusing only on IQ only tells a small slice of the story.

Hbd research shows a whole host of other outcomes are predicated on your genes, eg there are genes for delayed gratification, violence, empathy etc. That's to say nothing of how various groups have learned overtime to implicitly favor others who have tells hinting at similar lineage.

That said, it shouldn't be a basis to discriminate against individuals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951962)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 8:48 PM
Author: sealclubber

it gives our 90-100 iq whiteys something to feel good about themselves.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953027)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:24 PM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

"which include not studying or taking school seriously"

Shouldn't be a problem.

https://files.catbox.moe/p5kcbb.png

No school learnin' needed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950230)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 2:33 PM
Author: {:{|}

This image is a triggering microaggression because the shapes are black and white, evoking painful memories of whites ownership of black slaves. How do you expect a body of color to score well when it is in pain?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33950312)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 6:08 PM
Author: "'"'"''"""


Raven's matrices has actually changed significantly from the flynn effect, which suggests that it isn't unaffected by culture or the environment.

A better example would be something like simple reaction time, which is a very pure measure of neurological integrity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33951950)



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Date: August 12th, 2017 2:34 AM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

You're going broader than what I was responding to.

But, yes, there are lots of ways to measure intelligence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33969487)



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Date: August 9th, 2017 10:00 PM
Author: pepito .

FUCKING LOL at xo, race-bsessed, perpetually race-cucked and victimized BITCH FAGGOTS, so fucking obsessed with this bitch faggotry. fucking lol, guy like me finds this interesting, guy like you is obsessed over it, enjoy your life homofaggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#33953544)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:01 AM
Author: Chad Nationalism (All poasts are performance art )

reminder this is AFRICAN AMERICAN blacks who have some white dna in them. pure AFRICANS at 70 or below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064096)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 4:02 AM
Author: :.::>>:;..;:>>.:.:>.;>:>>


what of the Igbo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064662)



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Date: August 25th, 2017 1:06 AM
Author: I literally have stockpiles of Zima, literally!

Reminder: the superior race and smarter race is betting on Conor mcgregor in droves despite a guaranteed 20% ROI by betting on Floyd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3696254&forum_id=2#34064112)